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2023-04-17: APP 2.0.0-beta17 has been released !

RAW support for camera color matrix with Bayer Drizzle integration, fixed couple of image viewer issues.

 

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[Sticky] Combining R, G, B with Ha & OIII data using an Optolong L-eNhance filter

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(@leandros)
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Randy solamente se pueden apilar hasta 5 trabajos en multi sesiones en APP  


   
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(@vincent-mod)
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Dear Leandro, would you mind asking in English? Thank you!


   
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(@andres)
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@ahbok Thank you for sharing this integration workflow. I just used it for an image of the M1 taken with my C8 and OSC ZAO ASI533MC. 

https://astrob.in/dpu2kw/B/

I am amazed at the result. 

PS n TP PI pcc broadb galaxy   combine RGB image lpc cbg St clone

   
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Nice work!


   
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(@rkmvca)
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Hi, I have a clarification question in case of a mosaic.  I am trying to put together a 2-panel mosaic of the Rosette nebula, shot using the L-extreme filter (end goal is an image similar to Matthew Hilton's wonderful picture on the post of Jan 27 2021).  Each panel is 30 subs. 

My question is, do I do the mosaic integration before or after the RGB combine?  I think the flow should be:

Panel 1: extract Ha, integrate

Panel 1: extract O3, integrate

Panel 1: register the above images and integrate, combine RGB with desired weights. Save.

Panel 2: extract Ha, integrate

Panel 2: extract O3, integrate

Panel 2: register the above images and integrate, combine RGB with desired weights. Save.

Integrate the 2 saved mosaic panel images with appropriate settings for MBB and LNC.  

Perform any desired HSL selective color on the integrated mosaic. 

The alternative  would be to not do the RGB combine until the final integration of the mosaic?  

Or should I be doing something else entirely? 

Thanks!  


   
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(@wvreeven)
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@rkmvca Your workflow is good. You could also choose to not integrate the Ha and OIII images of panels 1 and 2 and create separate Ha and OIII mosaics. Then use Combine RGB to create RGB images out of them. That would give you a bit more flexibility for how much contribution of Ha and OIII you want in each R, G and B channel. But the way you do it now gives perfectly usable RGB images as well.


   
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(@rkmvca)
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Thanks.  I like your idea of making separate Ha and O3 mosaics, then RGB combining them.  I'll try that, and then post results.

- Rich


   
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(@ldittrick)
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I know I must be doing something stupid (big learning curve for me) but in following the basic workflow I get the 5 files for R, G,B, Ha, and OIII but when I load them up and try to Analyze stars (step 12) I get the message:  No lights available, nothing to do.  Do the 5 fits files loaded look correct?  I must have missed something or have loaded the wrong files.  I will try and load a screen shot.  Thanks, Lonnie

APP 5 files RGBHO

 


   
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(@rkmvca)
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Did you load the R, G, B, etc as Lights or as Other/Processed?  I found the same error when I loaded them as Other/Processed; when loaded as Lights it worked. 

 

- Rich


   
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(@rkmvca)
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Edit:  there is something flaky about the BB software here.  I seemingly couldn't get it to accept my simply reply, and of course when I reloaded the page I found 3 copies of the same thing.   


   
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(@ldittrick)
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@rkmvca I did it as other/processed. No go.  I will try to load as lights.  Thanks, Rich.


   
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(@ldittrick)
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Hey Rich, it worked.  Now I can start working on getting the head dents out of the wall.  Thanks again for the quick response.


   
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(@rkmvca)
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Happy to help!  


   
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(@nsblifer)
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Will this process work for SHO palate using L-enhance?


   
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(@jan-monsuur)
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@kevin-lewis This is not correct, although the moderators also state this too at several places in the forum. After "Extract Ha", and registering everything, you better clear APP and reload the frames again before you extract OIII. Imagine you just begin, and you load the L-eNhance frames. APP asks you for which filter these frames are. Then I select H-alpha. I go on loading my flats (not yet masters, but plain flats!) and darks and bias frames. Then APP asks for which filter the flats are, and again I say "for H-alpha". Now, during the process, APP creates the integration AND the masterflat-for-H-alpha. (And of course the masterdark and masterbias). I f you now go back to the Raw/Fits-tab and select "Extract OIII" without reloading the frames, APP will again create a masterflat, but with a name referring to "H-alpha".

 

So this is why I start again from scratch when I want to "Extract OIII" (after extracting H-alpha)


   
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@jan-monsuur It is not necessary to reload your frames to be able to extract Ha and OIII from L-eNhance and L-eXtreme images.

In tab 0, select "Ha-OIII extract Ha" or "Ha-OIII extract OIII". It doesn't matter which one you start with as long as you later return and select the other. Then in tab 1 load the lights and calibration frames and simply leave the default apply "FILTER" header tag or assign RGB/MONO enabled. APP will then load the images as RGB, which they actually are! Then you can go straight to tab6 and hit the integrate button.

When done, return to tab 0 and select the other algorithm. Then return to tab 6 and hit the integrate button again. This will repeat a part of the initial integration steps but it skips star detection and registration since this was already done on the RGB data.

This way, the Ha and OIII integrated results will be nicely registered to each other.


   
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(@wvreeven)
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@nsblifer I am asking Mabula about this. I'll let you know the answer as soon as possible.


   
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(@tsk1979)
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Hi

I have QHY268C and a QHY183M camera. They have different FOVs, with 183 being a bit narrow.

I am planning on a long imaging session of M81 and M82 together. 

 

I have these

1. 6 hours with QHY268C APC- camera at 700mm FL

2. 4 hours qhy268C at 700mm and then 2 hours Ha with QHY183M 

What do you recommend. Should I go with QHY, use 4 hours for RGB and split 2h of Ha, or go with my option 2? What would give me better results. I want to bring out the reds and also capture some IFN

 


   
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(@vincent-mod)
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You can always combine data from different scopes/sensors, so I would use both. So I'd opt for 2 where the Ha will have a very clean signal. The only thing I'm wondering about is if that will help you with the IFn. The Ha signal will be primarily in the galaxies and not very hard to capture. So maybe 5 hours color data and 1 hour Ha?


   
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(@tsk1979)
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@vincent-mod 

Thanks! yes I need the red from galaxies. So I will just do OSC + 1 hour Ha for getting reds

 


   
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(@nsblifer)
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@wvreeven thank you! You’d think there would be a step by step YT video from start to finish on APP narrowband processing by now but there isn’t.  


   
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