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Help whats wrong: noise / guiding error?

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(@schakravarthi)
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After a successful attempt at M101 for 2 hrs, I captured almost 7 hours of data. But integrating the 7 hour data is worse than the 2 hour data. Is something wrong with some of the frames - I'm suspecting something wrong with my dark / bias /flats. See the comparison images.

M101 April 30 2022 ( 2hr Integration)
M101 (6. 5 hr Integration)

 



   
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(@Anonymous 174)
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That is weird yes, could you post some screenshots of a single sub of your first session and one from your second? As well as a screenshot of you masterdark, masterflat etc?

Also check in the header of the images in your first and second session, if you didn't change any options by accident



   
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(@schakravarthi)
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@vincent-mod 

First session (2hr)  typical sub is below

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Second session (6.5 hr) typical sub is below

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First session master flat

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First session master dark

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First session master bias is below

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Second session master flat is below

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Second session master dark is below

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Second session master bias is below

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(@Anonymous 174)
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Thanks!

It looks a bit like your flat isn't exposed properly and there might be a bit of light leakage in your dark. Normally you want to see a histogram that has a curve that drops quite sharply, but I see an extra bump in yours. I can have a look at your data here if you want as well, but I think there are a few issues in there. What happens if you don't use any calibration frames?



   
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(@schakravarthi)
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@vincent-mod 

thanks. Redoing without the calibration frames made it better. This is the APP result

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With some minor denoising, I was able to get this

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So I am wondering what went wrong with my calibration frames. I am using a Optolong Lpro filter. So what should I expect the different calibration subs / masters look like? 



   
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(@Anonymous 174)
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Like I mentioned, you probably want to look at the darks/bias and remake them in a totally dark environment. Like in a bag in a closet or something. Do make them with the same settings as the lights, including temperature if possible. That, in combination with a slightly longer exposed flat, may work better. If not, I can have a look at the new data.



   
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