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[Solved] How to combine ha data to rgb osc image using different cameras.

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Hi guy's, 

I have watched one of Mabula's tutorials on how to stack different images from different setups with success. However, I am unsure on how to integrate mono HA data from a different camera, to the split rgb channels of the osc camera. 

My understanding is that I need to use the combine rgb tool once I have split the rgb channels, but how do I go about preparing the HA data in readiness for combining to the rgb channels.

Many Thanks

Ryan



   
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Use Ha-Oiii Extract Ha on the OSC camera if you used a dualband filter.
After that, stack the Ha mono with the Ha from OSC.

 

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Hi stefan,

I used a tri-rgb filter on the OSC camera, the HA data I have was taken using a mono ccd camera with a HA filter.

So I wish to split the rgb channels from the osc, but nit sure how to scale the HA data to these before combining as LRGB in rgb combine. 

Many Thanks 

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Unless you have very big scale differences then you shouldnt worry. Just stack them



   
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The scales are 2.65" per pixel for the mono ccd & 1.85" per pixel for the OSC.

Ok, so if I stack them all together must I load the two different sets of calibration frames all in together. Or calibrate both sets seperately then load both sets of calibrated light together ready to stack together?

Much appreciated for your help Stefan 👍🏼

Ryan



   
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Stack OSC with calibration files, Extract Ha directly.

Stack Mono Ha with calibration files.

Stack the two stacks 



   
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Amazing I'll give it a try. 

May I ask the reason why I must extract the HA directly from the osc stack?

Is it to be stacked with the mono HA data and use this stack for the luminance channel when combing with with rgb channels? 

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I thought you wanted to inegrate (as in stacking) Ha from OSC with Mono Ha.

But if you mean integrate Ha in RGB Making a HaRGB palette. Then it is Done in the Edit tab in APP.
So. In that case, you need load the RGB stack and Ha as lights in APP first. Register and save the registered files. 
Split the RGB data and save those files. 
Load the registered Ha, R, G and B  and combine them. APP is not the first choice of software for this action. I would rather use PI.

 

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Apologies for not being clear Stefan.

Yes that's exactly what I intend to do, a HaRGB palette 👍🏼

I'll attempt it tomorrow. 

Yes I've read and seen many great things regarding Pixinsight. My head hurts trying to navigate through the joys of processing. 

Thanks again for your help, I had no idea where to begin with this. 

Ryan

 



   
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Hi Stefan, I just followed your instructions however the result hasn't quite worked.

I can. See where both images overlap.

IMG 20250108 193539

 Many Thanks 

Ryan

I've attached a pic of the result. 



   
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To take better care of the belcning, use MBB and LNC. The more LNC interations the better, but takes much longer time.

 



   
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Ok thanks 👍🏼

I did use MBB at 10%, LNC at 2nd degree and 3 iterations. Sh I all increase both the degree and iterations to a higher value? 

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Try cropping the stacks before stacking if there are obvious strange artifacts.

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Hi Stefan,

I feel I'm almost there with no artifacts, however it's given me a b&w image (I'm missing something obvious).

So I loaded the calibrated RGB stack and Ha stack as lights. Registered and saved the registered files. 

I split the RGB data and saved those files. 
Loaded in tab 1 the registered Ha, (split R, G and B channels and integrated them using MBB and LNC.

I thought I'd try to add the the Ha, r, g, b into rgb combine but it gave me a horrible result. Im guessing because I skipped the integration stage. 

Apologies for amy tedious questions Stefan. 

Thanks 

Ryan

IMG 20250109 183517

 



   
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Hmmm 
After "I split the RGB data and saved those files. "
You should load the registered R and Ha in Tab 1 and stack them.  The "problem" is that you have used triband filter. The R channel contains both Ha and Sii. 
You will now have a new stacked combined channel (R+Ha).

Combine This new channel in as RGB. R is now (R+Ha), G och still G and B is still B. But you will now have a better R signal.
Time to edit 🙂



   
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Hi Ryan @ryan_86 & Stefan @digitaliz-se,

I have watched one of Mabula's tutorials on how to stack different images from different setups with success. However, I am unsure on how to integrate mono HA data from a different camera, to the split rgb channels of the osc camera.

My understanding is that I need to use the combine rgb tool once I have split the rgb channels, but how do I go about preparing the HA data in readiness for combining to the rgb channels.

Stefan, thank you very much for your help here.

Ryan, I would suggest the following workflow to make this happen:

  1. load your RGB exposures and calibration frames to make the RGB integration/stack. Use Multi-Band Blending (MBB) with 10-25% to reduce artefacts near the borders of the field of view.
  2. Then clear the frame list in 1)load with the clear button
  3. load your mono Ha frames with calibration frames and make the H-alpha integration/stack. Again use MBB 10-25% for the same reason.
  4. Now you have both the RGB and the H-alpha stack, so again clear the frame list panel in 0) load and then load both the RGB and H-alpha stack as lights. These 2 stacks need to be registered and also normalised now. Register with dynamic distortion correction in 4) register if it is needed, meaning that you want to enable this if the stars will not perfectly align after registration of the 2 stacks. In 5) Normalize, enable advanced normalization and normalize the 2 stacks. At the bottom of 5) Normalize, save the normalized frames with apply registration of frames enabled.
  5. The saved registered and normalized stacks are now fully compatible to be loaded into the RGB Combine Tool to make a nice HaRGB composite. If you still have issues with the borders then crop the problem area away like earlier suggested.

Let me know if this helps 😉

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Thank you ever so much for all of your help Stefan. Helping me along my processing journey has been very generous of you.

With your's & Mabula's help, I'll finally put my hard earned data to good use 👍🏼

Ryan



   
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@mabula-admin thank you ever so much for replying to my post. It's appreciated greatly. 

It looks I had my workflow a bit jumbled including extra steps. 

Armed with your clear and detailed instructions, I'll report back to you with my results👍🏼📸🔭🌌 

Thanks again 

Ryan



   
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@mabula-admin

I have just attempted to combine both stacks following your instructions, although there seems to be a slight improvement it still looks poor.

Is there anything else I can try or should I cut my losses? 🤔

To be honest there doesn't seem to be that much of an improvement adding the HA data from a much older ccd camera (starlight xpress H18 mono) to my Altair Astro 26c CMOS camera.

Many Thanks 

Ryan

IMG 20250111 182743

 



   
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If you want I could take a look at your stacks and see what the problems might be. Email the links to the two stacks to download to Stefan@digitaliz.se



   
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@mabula-admin

I have just attempted to combine both stacks following your instructions, although there seems to be a slight improvement it still looks poor.

Is there anything else I can try or should I cut my losses? 🤔

To be honest there doesn't seem to be that much of an improvement adding the HA data from a much older ccd camera (starlight xpress H18 mono) to my Altair Astro 26c CMOS camera.

Many Thanks 

Ryan

IMG 20250111 182743

 

Hi Ryan @ryan_86,

I am glad my instructions were of some help here. Yes, I see the issues that are there in your screenshot. I think with more tweaking in the RGB Combine tool things can be improved still.

Please try the following options:

  • to have the sky background match between the Ha and RGB data, play with the bg sliders a bit (bg is short for background). It might improve things a lot a think.
  • Which data has the best quality in general? If it is the RGB data, then use that as well for the luminance layer, so increase the L slider for the RGB data then and play with the amount to see the changes after pushing calculate. If the H-alpha is better than RGB, set that as L
  • in terms of the actual colors of the composite, you can still try to play more with the contributions of Red, Green and Blue. So modify the R.G,B sliders in value and check what happens.

Let me know if this helps 😉

Mabula

 

 



   
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1trH-GrdvF0l9MHIQSQwTf3vOGbZeQRva/view?usp=drivesdk

Thank you Stefan. 

Here is my Google drive link to both stacks. 

Many Thanks once again. 

Ryan



   
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Its just one stack



   
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@digitaliz-se

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IQ-br3u3fCUKuMPF8u_4Lb30Ws1RK798/view?usp=drivesdk

Here's the HA stack 👍🏼



   
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Hi Mabula, 

Many thanks for replying so quickly 👍🏼

Ok I shall have a play with the RGB combine tool and get back to you. 

Thanks again

Ryan



   
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Your Ha stack is full with lightpollution. 
Remove LP from both stacks using APP and then stack the stacks.
I tried it and it worked.

 

/Stefan 



   
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@digitaliz-se

Wow it worked 😁👏🏼😁

Hmm, that's surprising considering I image from a bortle 3 site.

Ok I'll give it a whirl now.

Thanks again Stefan 👍🏼

Ryan

 

 



   
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Thank you very much Stefan @digitaliz-se for your assistance !

Ryan @ryan_86, could you improve the result now yourself? Were you able to remove the light pollution/gradient from your data ?

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Hi Mabula, 

Unfortunately I have been unable to revisit my data due to family commitments. However this evening that all changes 😉

I'll update you this evening. 

Many Thanks 

Ryan

 



   
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Hi Mabula & Stefan,

As you can both see, removing the light pollution from the Ha stack has fixed my issue as Stefan kindly suggested.😀

I still have lot's to do this image but wanted to show you guys following the excellent support from you both.

Now I am happy and ready to give the tlc my hard earnt data deserves.

RGB HA Stacks combined jpeg for mabula

Many Thanks once again

Ryan



   
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