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AstroPixelprocessor hangs when started under MacOS Big Sur  

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(@eckhardv)
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October 9, 2020 17:01  

When APP starts it opens the "specify working directory dialog". When the dialog window gets the focus it is modal and the app hangs!

The problem exists in all Betas of Big Sur. I am happy to test any new build under Big Sur. 

Best regards

Eckhard

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(@vincent-mod)
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October 10, 2020 11:56  

Thanks very much for testing this! MacOS is proving to be more challenging with the recent new directions. Luckily we know we can compile for ARM as well in the future when needed, but it's not smooth sailing unfortunately. We will do our best of course to keep it working. 🙂 I've notified Mabula about your findings.


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(@eckhardv)
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October 11, 2020 17:05  

I am running an Intel-based notebook. The release of MacOS 11 Big Sur is due any day now. I would like to get APP working again as I prefer APP for calibration and stacking.

 

Best regards,

Eckhard


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(@vincent-mod)
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October 11, 2020 17:13  

Yes we would like to as well, these changes take some time and we don't have beta access. It's always best (I think) to wait a month or so before upgrading anyway, I usually wait until the .1 MacOS version comes out as many bugs get fixed then as well. We will test this as soon as possible.


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(@eckhardv)
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October 11, 2020 18:18  

You need to get an Apple Developer ID anyway to properly sign APP! It is 99$ per year and will also give you access to all Beta releases for new operating systems etc. 

The current APP release requires circumnavigating the MacOS security system to enable APP on MacOS. This is just very unprofessional. These security concepts are there for a reason. To ask a user to compromise security because the application software is not signed with the necessary credentials as the operating platform requires makes no sense.  

APP is a great piece of software and I hate it being a second class citizen under MacOS. Please get this sorted out. If you have questions, I am happy to assist!

 

Best regards

Eckhard


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(@vincent-mod)
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October 12, 2020 22:33  

Of course it's not second class why would you think that? The software is fully working just like on any other OS. I talked with Mabula a bit and he is actually using a Developer license, I wasn't aware of that. But he isn't testing Beta versions as he has to spend time on the other OS versions as well and that becomes too much then. We are commited to all OS-versions.

So the actual problem here is not the signing, he does that already, it's notarizing. The new MacOS isn't notarizing Java 8 apps and we are actually going to migrate to Java 11. That should solve this by then.


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(@mkearl)
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October 27, 2020 22:01  

@vincent-mod

I am also on the latest beta and it is crashing. It was actually working up until the last version for me.


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(@wornish)
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October 28, 2020 10:57  

Tried both 1.082 and also APP 1.083 Beta1  on my iMac running MacOS BigSur 11 Beta the latest version and it crashes.   It did work on an earlier beta version but something has changed and it now crashes 😭 

Any idea when to expect a fix?  I really don't want to have to go back to an earlier version of MacOS just for one app all the other apps work fine.


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October 28, 2020 12:50  

We're not running beta versions of an OS as this would take too much time out of Mabula's already busy programming schedule. So when Big Sur officially arrives we will work on that asap, I would advice not to use beta OS versions unless you're a developer on that OS. Apple also states it's best not to install those on your actual working computer.


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(@mkearl)
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October 28, 2020 14:12  

They haven't officially announced the conference, but it is leaked to take place on the 17th of Nov, with the invitations going out on the 10th. They will be releasing the new hardware running on their Apple silicon/ARM-based processors.

With that being said, the GM version of Big Sur should be out a week before the conference. So Mabula should be able to restart development on APP at that point to make sure things work on current hardware before making it work on Apple silicon.


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(@vincent-mod)
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October 28, 2020 14:52  

Of course that will be the path as it's always been. 🙂 We also have an idea how to implement ARM support and that's probably not a real big issue. Main reason we want that is because of the many cloud servers running on arm.


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(@mkearl)
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October 28, 2020 17:50  

@vincent-mod Are you suggesting a potential version of APP that will run on the cloud? Because that would be legit. Just saying. 😉 


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(@vincent-mod)
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October 29, 2020 14:56  

Very potentially (e.g. no plans for as of yet), the cloud is also just a server and many run on arm processors. 🙂


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(@mkearl)
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November 1, 2020 06:31  

@vincent-mod

Just a heads up, but the latest version 11.01 of Big Sur works with APP. Looks like they fixed something in Java to work a little better.


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(@wornish)
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November 1, 2020 11:21  
Posted by: @mkearl

@vincent-mod

Just a heads up, but the latest version 11.01 of Big Sur works with APP. Looks like they fixed something in Java to work a little better.

Thanks for sharing this.  

Great news just tried it and yes it works again.


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(@vincent-mod)
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November 1, 2020 11:58  

Excellent, thanks for sharing, so it was a MacOS beta issue. This also nicely illustrates the point of us not testing on beta versions of any OS and it being better not to run beta versions on your main machine.


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(@eckhardv)
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November 1, 2020 12:11  

Please don’t jump to conclusions like this.

APP running on previous MacOS 11 betas was hanging (endless loop). APP running under the latest MacOS Big Sur beta 11.01 on my MacBook Pro crashes with an „illegal instruction“ error. 

 


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(@vincent-mod)
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November 1, 2020 12:17  

It seems to work (from crashing to working) on independant machines, that's not "jumping to conclusions". We will check it out when the full release is there, point remains that it's best, precisely because of this, not to run beta's on a main machine, as Apple also states.

https://developer.apple.com/support/install-beta/

https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/faq


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(@wornish)
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November 1, 2020 12:31  

It seems to now work fine on my iMac running macOS 11.01.  Before, on macOS 11.00. it simply crashed at startup.

Let's wait and see what the final Big Sur release brings which I think is now expected 17th Nov when Apple are holding their next announcement.


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(@eckhardv)
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November 1, 2020 13:17  

Vincent,

there is no reason to become aggressive or impolite.

Of course it is jumping to conclusions if you diagnose this as an Apple Beta problem. Fact is, we all don't know why this happens. What we know is that on some machines it is working with MacOS 11.01. Whether it will work with the MacOS 11 final release we just don't know.

I started this thread to make Mabula aware that there was a problem lurking. Beta releases of MacOS are intended for developers to make sure their application software still runs under the next release. I am using beta releases for similar reasons. 

I personally don't care whether APP works with MacOS 11 or not, I can use a different machine with a different operating system or another astro processing software on this machine.

@wornish: what is the build number you are using?

I am using macOS 11.0 (20A5395g)

 

Best regards

Eckhard

 


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